Okay, so we have time probably for one question, I'm going to ask this of Dr. Morgan. Let's say it's not the sling or SGH shell that's torn, let's just say it's torn off its insertion, have you ever considered repairing it, the biceps? I had one case of a semi-pro left-hander and he avulsed his biceps with a piece of bone from the supraglenoid tubercle, but he had a symptomatic, I ignored that, when I scoped him the biceps was out of the joint, but he had all the criteria of an interval lesion so I fixed his interval and he resumed throwing pain-free. Steven, we have two minutes, can I ask Dr. Kibler if he goes to the stage and talk about some of the work Greg Bain is doing, Ben, can you tell him about the tension band concept of the biceps and whether you believe it or not? I'm going to talk about that on Saturday, but basically Greg Bain from Australia has done some excellent work showing that when you look at the entire posterior edge of the labrum all the way from the posterior band through the posterior labrum up into the biceps that it functions as a tension band and especially in the positions of maximum external rotation, especially in the forward flexion, it actually helps control the concavity compression and the tension of the glenohumeral joint and so it's, there's where the problem is I feel, and I'm going to talk about this on Saturday, why that whole posterior labral issue becomes the symptom producing problem in the throwing athlete because the tension band, you're losing the tension band as part of the pathology of the labrum. Is that what you wanted to say? I'll show it on Saturday, I'll show it on Saturday. And thank you to our speakers, great job.

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